Comments on: thirteen things I learned from a Temple Grandin book http://lagusta.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/thirteen-things-i-learned-from-a-temple-grandin-book/ living underground in the real world Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:59:22 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Edible Hudson Valley, Winter 2009 issue: pros and cons « resistance is fertile http://lagusta.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/thirteen-things-i-learned-from-a-temple-grandin-book/#comment-3397 Edible Hudson Valley, Winter 2009 issue: pros and cons « resistance is fertile Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:45:17 +0000 http://lagusta.wordpress.com/?p=2533#comment-3397 [...] And guess who she calls up the next day? Our pal, Temple Grandin! [...] [...] And guess who she calls up the next day? Our pal, Temple Grandin! [...]

]]> By: lagusta http://lagusta.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/thirteen-things-i-learned-from-a-temple-grandin-book/#comment-2552 lagusta Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:55:21 +0000 http://lagusta.wordpress.com/?p=2533#comment-2552 LACEY! Literally while you were writing that comment I was on Facebook planning on telling you how madly awesome you are. And now I see you are no longer on Facebook! I am proud and sad! So I will tell you in another internetty way instead: you are an awesome lady. And soon I'm going to email you and your glorious husband to see if you want to meet up in Woodstock (Bearsville) next Thursday. LACEY! Literally while you were writing that comment I was on Facebook planning on telling you how madly awesome you are. And now I see you are no longer on Facebook! I am proud and sad! So I will tell you in another internetty way instead: you are an awesome lady. And soon I’m going to email you and your glorious husband to see if you want to meet up in Woodstock (Bearsville) next Thursday.

]]> By: laceyputnam http://lagusta.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/thirteen-things-i-learned-from-a-temple-grandin-book/#comment-2551 laceyputnam Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:49:58 +0000 http://lagusta.wordpress.com/?p=2533#comment-2551 While I also have mixed feelings about Temple Grandin and her occupation, I do believe that her contributions to the study and understanding of Autism have been extremely valuable. Her first book, Emergence, tells her story of growing up with an illness that no one understood or knew how to treat. Temple Grandin's mother is a wonderful source of inspiration, as she continuously had to fight for her daughter to be treated fairly and to receive an education. So, without going on and on, I think that Temple Grandin's personal story is quite incredible and useful for all of us to learn from. However, what she has chosen to do with her "gift" is somewhat disappointing. While I also have mixed feelings about Temple Grandin and her occupation, I do believe that her contributions to the study and understanding of Autism have been extremely valuable. Her first book, Emergence, tells her story of growing up with an illness that no one understood or knew how to treat. Temple Grandin’s mother is a wonderful source of inspiration, as she continuously had to fight for her daughter to be treated fairly and to receive an education.
So, without going on and on, I think that Temple Grandin’s personal story is quite incredible and useful for all of us to learn from. However, what she has chosen to do with her “gift” is somewhat disappointing.

]]> By: lagusta http://lagusta.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/thirteen-things-i-learned-from-a-temple-grandin-book/#comment-2435 lagusta Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:57:10 +0000 http://lagusta.wordpress.com/?p=2533#comment-2435 This argument has been so throughly debunked that I won’t even get into it here. There are 20,000 websites on which you can educate yourself, and I really don’t care to be everyone’s mama and show them the fucking vegan light. Learn the facts, then come back. Or, a kinder commenter than me will school you, like Dustin just did. (This comment was supposed to come before the other one. Oh well.) This argument has been so throughly debunked that I won’t even get into it here. There are 20,000 websites on which you can educate yourself, and I really don’t care to be everyone’s mama and show them the fucking vegan light. Learn the facts, then come back. Or, a kinder commenter than me will school you, like Dustin just did.
(This comment was supposed to come before the other one. Oh well.)

]]> By: lagusta http://lagusta.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/thirteen-things-i-learned-from-a-temple-grandin-book/#comment-2434 lagusta Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:55:43 +0000 http://lagusta.wordpress.com/?p=2533#comment-2434 Dustin, I am torn between loving you for responding so eloquently to this, and hating that reading a blog, something you probably do for fun as a break from your long work days, has become just like your regular work. Either way, thanks. I deeply believe in the Gandhian concept of ahimsa and nonviolence, but the next time I meet someone who tells me that they will not be vegan because if everyone was vegan there wouldn't be enough food, I will punch them in the nutsack (because you know they are going to be a dude). I fucking swear. 1) the argument is baseless. 2) That's like saying that you won't stop killing people because you are concerned about overpopulation issues and if you stopped, there would just be too many people. You could also make the argument that raping women is an awesome idea because it usually scares them off sex for a while which leads to less people. Many ideas COULD be made. That doesn't mean you should bring them over to my happy blog. See, Skippy, when you start your comment with "You do know..." it automatically raises everyone's hackles, because that's a sure sign you're about to talk down to people. You might have better conversations if you learn to phrase things better. You might also not be such a dick. Just a thought. Sorry. I didn't get enough sleep, and abject idiocy makes me crazy. I deeply bow to those calm enough to respond in a kind, thoughtful way to people. You're living my perpetual New Year's resolution! You know, Skippy-dude, I kinda agree with you on one point: Americans need a better work ethic. I could easily get roasted for this, but being a small business owner, I see this all the time (not with Veronica!!!!). We need to pay people more, for sure, (the issue isn't that "Americans won't work for minimum wage," the issue is that we need to pay more for our food, like three times more and pay a real wage to the people who buy it) and people need to work. I know that sounds like I'm sort of blaming the victim here (not to mention betraying my anarchist soul), but anyone who's ever had the horrible experience of being a boss knows exactly what I mean. As Dustin said, it's a complex world out there. Dustin, I am torn between loving you for responding so eloquently to this, and hating that reading a blog, something you probably do for fun as a break from your long work days, has become just like your regular work. Either way, thanks.

I deeply believe in the Gandhian concept of ahimsa and nonviolence, but the next time I meet someone who tells me that they will not be vegan because if everyone was vegan there wouldn’t be enough food, I will punch them in the nutsack (because you know they are going to be a dude). I fucking swear. 1) the argument is baseless. 2) That’s like saying that you won’t stop killing people because you are concerned about overpopulation issues and if you stopped, there would just be too many people. You could also make the argument that raping women is an awesome idea because it usually scares them off sex for a while which leads to less people. Many ideas COULD be made. That doesn’t mean you should bring them over to my happy blog.

See, Skippy, when you start your comment with “You do know…” it automatically raises everyone’s hackles, because that’s a sure sign you’re about to talk down to people. You might have better conversations if you learn to phrase things better. You might also not be such a dick. Just a thought.

Sorry. I didn’t get enough sleep, and abject idiocy makes me crazy. I deeply bow to those calm enough to respond in a kind, thoughtful way to people. You’re living my perpetual New Year’s resolution!

You know, Skippy-dude, I kinda agree with you on one point: Americans need a better work ethic. I could easily get roasted for this, but being a small business owner, I see this all the time (not with Veronica!!!!). We need to pay people more, for sure, (the issue isn’t that “Americans won’t work for minimum wage,” the issue is that we need to pay more for our food, like three times more and pay a real wage to the people who buy it) and people need to work. I know that sounds like I’m sort of blaming the victim here (not to mention betraying my anarchist soul), but anyone who’s ever had the horrible experience of being a boss knows exactly what I mean. As Dustin said, it’s a complex world out there.

]]> By: Dustin Rhodes http://lagusta.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/thirteen-things-i-learned-from-a-temple-grandin-book/#comment-2432 Dustin Rhodes Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:49:23 +0000 http://lagusta.wordpress.com/?p=2533#comment-2432 I hope what I am saying is true, though heaven knows I can't be for sure, but: I don't think vegans, in general, are so delusional to think 1. that "the world" would become vegan overnight and 2. that there aren't inherent problems with food production in general. The broader principles of veganism seek a world of peace, justice and respect towards all animals, human and non-human and the environment as a whole. In other words, it's not simply about advocating for what a person should stick in her mouth. Veganism is a very broad lens with which to view the root cause of individual and planetary exploitation: human domination. It's a gigantic, complicated issue, and I don't know whether your point is to say that veganism isn't possible or that the world in which we live is very complicated. If it's the latter, I agree. But the higher aims of veganism should not be dismissed with a too-easy "there won't be enough vegan food"--because that's only part of a bigger perspective that, at its radical heart, seeks justice for all. I honestly think the ideals of veganism are the most comprehensive, thoughtful framework with which to try to live our lives. It doesn't make vegans perfect (or even close), but taken seriously it's a productive way to live that has the inherent power to effect enormous change that positively affects countless sentient beings---ourselves included. I hope what I am saying is true, though heaven knows I can’t be for sure, but: I don’t think vegans, in general, are so delusional to think 1. that “the world” would become vegan overnight and 2. that there aren’t inherent problems with food production in general. The broader principles of veganism seek a world of peace, justice and respect towards all animals, human and non-human and the environment as a whole. In other words, it’s not simply about advocating for what a person should stick in her mouth. Veganism is a very broad lens with which to view the root cause of individual and planetary exploitation: human domination. It’s a gigantic, complicated issue, and I don’t know whether your point is to say that veganism isn’t possible or that the world in which we live is very complicated. If it’s the latter, I agree. But the higher aims of veganism should not be dismissed with a too-easy “there won’t be enough vegan food”–because that’s only part of a bigger perspective that, at its radical heart, seeks justice for all. I honestly think the ideals of veganism are the most comprehensive, thoughtful framework with which to try to live our lives. It doesn’t make vegans perfect (or even close), but taken seriously it’s a productive way to live that has the inherent power to effect enormous change that positively affects countless sentient beings—ourselves included.

]]> By: skippy http://lagusta.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/thirteen-things-i-learned-from-a-temple-grandin-book/#comment-2431 skippy Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:38:24 +0000 http://lagusta.wordpress.com/?p=2533#comment-2431 You do know that if the world became vegan there would not be enough food for them? Monsanto has 300 million acres of grain planted world wide. The grain seed is spliced with herbacide DNA. It is deadly for human consumption. That is the grain the animals eat. It is untested for human consumption. Or are the vegans the new lab rats? For Monsanto to change over to organic then the manpower to work the fields would be lacking. If the gerain is grown in 3rd world countries the shipping would be prohibited. Can any of you grow your own food. I can but the question is can you> Americans won't work for min. wage. Thats the rest of the problem. You do know that if the world became vegan there would not be enough food for them? Monsanto has 300 million acres of grain planted world wide. The grain seed is spliced with herbacide DNA. It is deadly for human consumption. That is the grain the animals eat. It is untested for human consumption. Or are the vegans the new lab rats? For Monsanto to change over to organic then the manpower to work the fields would be lacking. If the gerain is grown in 3rd world countries the shipping would be prohibited. Can any of you grow your own food. I can but the question is can you> Americans won’t work for min. wage. Thats the rest of the problem.

]]> By: lagusta http://lagusta.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/thirteen-things-i-learned-from-a-temple-grandin-book/#comment-2429 lagusta Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:08:59 +0000 http://lagusta.wordpress.com/?p=2533#comment-2429 HA! I think it's safe to say I would rather eat my hat. Or a hotdog. I try to make it a practice not to talk to people whose viewpoints I find sickening. HA! I think it’s safe to say I would rather eat my hat. Or a hotdog. I try to make it a practice not to talk to people whose viewpoints I find sickening.

]]> By: Kevin Orie http://lagusta.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/thirteen-things-i-learned-from-a-temple-grandin-book/#comment-2428 Kevin Orie Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:01:24 +0000 http://lagusta.wordpress.com/?p=2533#comment-2428 When can we plan to see you make an appearance on New Paltz News with Big Bill Mulcahy? When can we plan to see you make an appearance on New Paltz News with Big Bill Mulcahy?

]]> By: lagusta http://lagusta.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/thirteen-things-i-learned-from-a-temple-grandin-book/#comment-2420 lagusta Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:14:58 +0000 http://lagusta.wordpress.com/?p=2533#comment-2420 Yes, that's true. The "not everyone is as smart as you are, Lagusta," point can never be made too often or forcibly: spot on, mate! Yes, that’s true.

The “not everyone is as smart as you are, Lagusta,” point can never be made too often or forcibly: spot on, mate!

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